First of all I think The statement of 1 round of ammo found in the range needs to clarified. Because it was not just 1 round it was numerous rounds of recasted ammo. The ammo the school shoots is not a recasted ammo. And shame on building and district administration if they knew this was going on and didn't stop it. Because it was brought to there attention 2 years ago as to what exactly was going on in the rifle range and did nothing then about it. And at the recent Athletic meeting a statement was made that Building Administration knew what and who exactly was shooting in that range. And a question was asked if this was true. A Administrator made the statement that it was a personel issue and could not be discussed. That wasn't the question the question was either yes or no. Hopefully the School Board will push the issue to get answer's or terminate ALL Administration who knew and kept mum on it.

I say, just clean up the range, put safeguards in place, and move on.
Obviously, someone used the range out of normal practice. No dead bodies were found; no problem. My daughter wants to be on the Rifle team and participate with the ROTC rifle program too. I don't want our school district to have a knee jerk reaction. Frankly, self defense should be taught to all our students on a volunteer basis. I know I don't want my daughter to just hide under a desk and hope some crazy person won't come in and start shooting. Video tapes have been found with terriorists practicing taking students to the roof of building, waiting for the media to come, shoot the student, throw them off the roof, then setting off car bombs for more deaths. They are practicing to kill our students. Innocents. They have promised to kill 2 million of our children. Now is the time to prepare our kids for self-reliance and to teach them lost skills of self-defense. I remember when we used to fold the flag each day, pray/moment of silence, and learn how to be a 'good citizen' when I went to school in Plum. Have we lost our values? My children will be taught to save themselves and others. God help us.

Happy Hippo just because there was no bodies doesn't mean that the School Board or Administration should look the other way. And they definatly are not going on a knee jerk reaction. They are looking to clean up the range and the program. One of which over the past 2 years has had alot of on going issues. I agree that all students have the right to learn self defense but this is not the issue here. It was rather it was the Coach, a member of the Administration, an employee of the district taking it upon themselves to do what they wanted not what was and is the purpose of the high school range and that be for 22 target shooting. There are times and places for your child and mine to learm self-defense. I do not agree with your opinion at all, but of course your probably one of the parents who always say not my child as your child is bullying someone else's. And finally if your child is in the ROTC I'm sure they are learning some self defense techniques there.

Tiffed...I'm glad you participate on this site, I do sometimes enjoy reading your opinions, but I also object to the way you attempt to get your opinions across.

You read half of what is posted, make fuzzy statements as fact (but the "facts" are so general that they cannot be discussed), and attack the poster based on generalizations you formed from the short post that you only half-read.

The previous poster does not need my defense, since the point that was being made is very clear, but somehow you misunderstood and again attacked the poster based on your misunderstanding. That's the part that is getting old.

Read half of what is posted...
• Tiffed "just because there was no bodies doesn't mean that the School Board or Administration should look the other way"
  
• HH clearly states that they would like to see "safeguards put in place." That's certainly not looking the other way.

Make fuzzy statements as facts (but the "facts" are so general that they cannot be discussed)...
• Tiffed "One of which over the past 2 years has had alot of on going issues."
  
• I know of no ongoing issues. Care to elaborate? If there are ongoing issues, shouldn't we be discussing these also? And if there are a lot of them, maybe we shouldn't even be discussing the mystery bullets. We may have bigger issues to discuss. But no one knows of these issues except for you.

Attack the poster based on generalizations you formed from the short post...
• Tiffed "but of course your probably one of the parents who always say not my child as your child is bullying someone else's."
  
• Come on Tiffed! That's just ridiculous. To say that about someone after reading a short post on a message board is just unfounded and unfair. Nothing in HH's post would lead a reasonable person to that conclusion.

And...I can definitely forgive spelling and grammar mistakes on an internet message board, but doing a quick check of what you write would add a lot

I would like to see more comments on the articles, and less attacking of other users' comments. The way you jump on people makes me think Tiffed is a little too mild to describe your attitude towards life. I'm going to suggest maybe using "Unpleasant in Plum".

Tiffed - you appear to know much about the Plum Rifle Team/Range and am hoping you will share your knowledge with a Mom who has a child that would like to try out for the Rifle Team. (now that it is finally moving forward)

You made the statement: There have been many things brought to Administration's attention over the past 2 years. That is a part of why The Coach is not there any longer.

I was under the impression that problems had started with a coach that was fired for hazing. (I believe it was a female coach) Since I did not have any children at the High School at that time nor was part of the $$$$ remodeling project perhaps you could educate me. It appears that some of the issues that have been discussed (according to the minutes from the last Athletic Committee meeting) should have been handled during the remodeling of the rifle range. (firewall, backer, hallway to ceiling) Do you know why that wasn't done? Wouldn't that have been the responsibility of the Coach at that time to make sure it was handled? What about the High School Principal or Athletic Director - do you think they have been neglectful?

Any info you can provide to enlighten me would greatly be appreciated.

Frustrated Mother of 2

Plum Mom the problems in the range at the time of the remoldeling being done was that the Coach that they claimed allowed hazing cared to much. And she was cleared of all the hazing charges. She brought to the board all the issues and the problem with the range. Administration and the Athletic Director's didn't want to hear what the problems where and are. That Coach and her Assistant where there for over 15 years. It seems funny that when Administration was called on the carpet that only then did they have a problem with her. And by the way even members of the Board and other districts felt her suspension was do to her pushing for the safety and building problems which she brought to the light. She was told that she could reappy for the position of Coach back. To me that says she was set up. Maybe she should file for a whistleblower lawsuit.

in fact some of the on going issue over the past 2 years with unapporiate behaviors of some of the team members where done by some of the exact members that set up the previous Coach. Don't you think just maybe Administration and the Athletic Director should have taken notice. Issue's concerning Coach Ickey that have been brought to the attention of the Athletic Dept. and Administration and the kinda of turned their heads. This past year a male student was expelled from the high school as well as from the ROTC over an issue. That youngman was used as an escape goat for a problem that had gone in the range. I could go on and on. Maybe someday I'll meet you somewhere along the line and tell you of the information that I know. I can't tell you what the program has instore at the time. But I do know that when I met with Administration on different occasions through-out the last couple of years I was asked to please not bring to the media or anyone else the things that I know. But that time is running very thin. In my opinion maybe they should look at getting rid of the Athletic Director. Because he seems to continue to allow the problems even when he is aware of them. I hope at some point the prior Coach comes forward and spills everything that she and her assistant know, but it has been because of caring about the program and her attorney that she has stayed mum to the point. I just wish she would talk on the matter because I truly believe heads will roll at that point and it will be from the top of Administration down.

Dear Tiffed:
You wrote:
I agree that all students have the right to learn self defense but this is not the issue here.
I say: It may not be the issue here, but it is relevant and part of my whole comment.

You wrote:
There are times and places for your child and mine to learm self-defense. I do not agree with your opinion at all, but of course your probably one of the parents who always say not my child as your child is bullying someone else's. And finally if your child is in the ROTC I'm sure they are learning some self defense techniques there.
I say: My point is: Why not self-defense? It's better than running around the gym two days a week pretending to get exercise while the kids eat french fries everyday. Why not learn something really useful? FYI, my children are not bullys; I know this for a fact. Thanks for asking. The Bully Propaganda is so P.C. it has distorted real life. Just so you know, I am the kind of parent who has raised kids who follow the rules. To report to me if they are being bullied and to follow the proper proceedures. But, I also tell them, that if they find themselve in immediate danger or see someone else in danger...they have my full blessing to protect themself and others.
I appreciate the Rifle program and I am glad the range is getting cleaned up. This is a GOOD thing. All programs and classes should go through scrutiny. Even teachers for that matter. But, that is a subject for futher discussion at another time, since "this has no issue here." It's been fun. I just want my kids to be safe too. I don't want them breathing in lead, and I want coaches who are responsible and proven to be true educators with the best interest of our children at heart.